On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 19:11:00 -0400, CBFalconer wrote:

>> BTW, glad to see I'm not the only one whose been around a few years
>> and has no love for vi. I've been using jed for my CLI editor as
>> long as I've been using Slackware.

> Wheee. Editor wars. Go crew, go.

Gosh I don't think there should be a war and everyone should use the
editor they are most comfortable with.

BUT, IMO and IMO only, jed just has a better layout and I like the
menus. Also if you have to edit a DOS file (I use Slackware to often fix
a W2K problem) it automatically detects the type of EOL character.

I especially like the ease of using a split window when upgrading. I open
the new file on top and in the lower window I open the older reference
file. I can do this very fast mostly because I'm used to using the
editor. I also set up the system so mc uses jed for editing and that is
a fast combination.

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On 2007-07-03, Ron Gibson <rsgibson@verizon.net> wrote:


> BUT, IMO and IMO only, jed just has a better layout and I like the
> menus.

I'm with you, Ron. I've been using jed for several years now and have
yet to find anything better. jed is like using emacs without having to
do all the tweaking to get it to do what you like. Superior syntax
highlighting out of the box.

My only prob with jed is it will sometimes progressively ident lines
of pasted text. I found this little sed script will set all lines to
the left margin.

------

# delete leading whitespace (spaces, tabs) from front of each line
# aligns all text flush left
sed 's/^[ \t]*//'

------

See, the above is an example of that stair-stepping effect I'm talking
about. That's a cut n' paste into konsole. Anyway, that little sed
script fixes it. Here's more sed goodies:

http://www.eng.cam.ac.uk/help/tpl/unix/sed.html

nb

notbob <notbob@nothome.com> wrote:
>My only prob with jed is it will sometimes progressively ident lines
>of pasted text.

Yes. Second, if you paste "`" it won't show. Third, it turns spaces to tabs.
You could copy /usr/share/jed/lib/jed.rc to ~/.jedrc and fix them:

--- jed.rc 2007-07-03 19:11:20.000000000 +0300
+++ .jedrc 2007-07-03 19:13:29.000000000 +0300
@@ -50,6 +50,7 @@
%
% setkey ("bol", "^H"); % causes ^H to go to beg of line (EDT)
% setkey ("help_prefix", "^H"); % Uncomment to have Ctrl-H as help
+ setkey ("self_insert_cmd","`");

#ifdef XWINDOWS
% See xjed.txt for information regarding the delete key under X Windows.
@@ -129,7 +130,7 @@

BLINK = 1; % if non zero, blink matching parenthesis
TAB_DEFAULT = 8; % Tab size (also try edit_tab_stops)
-USE_TABS = 1; % Use tabs when generating whitespace.
+USE_TABS = 0; % Use tabs when generating whitespace.

Tab_Always_Inserts_Tab = 0; % Set this to 1 if you want the tab key to insert
% tabs.
@@ -231,6 +232,7 @@
{
% if (hook_name != "c_mode_hook")
% local_setkey ("self_insert_cmd", "\t");
+ local_setkey ("newline","^M");
}

define dired_hook ()

notbob wrote:
> ------
>
> See, the above is an example of that stair-stepping effect I'm talking
> about. That's a cut n' paste into konsole. Anyway, that little sed
> script fixes it. Here's more sed goodies:
>
> http://www.eng.cam.ac.uk/help/tpl/unix/sed.html
>
> nb


> http://www.eng.cam.ac.uk/help/tpl/unix/sed.html
>
> nb

Thanks for the url, fantastic site. "sed goodies" abound!

Two of my favourites:

>> # center all text in the middle of 79-column width. In method 1,
>> # spaces at the beginning of the line are significant, and trailing
>> # spaces are appended at the end of the line. In method 2, spaces at
>> # the beginning of the line are discarded in centering the line, and
>> # no trailing spaces appear at the end of lines.
>> sed -e :a -e 's/^.\{1,77\}$/ & /;ta' # method 1
>> sed -e :a -e 's/^.\{1,77\}$/ &/;ta' -e 's/\( *\)\1/\1/' # method 2

and

>> # number each line of a file (number on left, right-aligned)
>> sed = filename | sed 'N; s/^/ /; s/ *\(.\{6,\}\)\n/\1 /'

Sure, some of those commands look complex and difficult, and Sed would
probably take a few years of study to master, but just imagine how handy
this would be if the "format" button broke on a modern, GUI editor.

Whilst I was reinstalling, you'd have the last laugh.

With kind regards

Chu

On 2007-07-03, ChuMaiFat <ChuMaiFat@nowhere.com.au> wrote:

> probably take a few years of study to master, but just imagine how handy
> this would be if the "format" button broke on a modern, GUI editor.

Yeah, gui's are perfect. They don't choke on anything bigger than a
slashdot blurb like notepad or fail to format warez brag screens like
every winblows editor except wordpad. They don't make text files
completely proprietary like word or fail to save almost every webpage
cut n' paste like kate. Yeah, gui text editors have no flaws at all.
Sure, pal.

nb

On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:19:03 +0000, Petri Kaukasoina wrote:

> notbob <notbob@nothome.com> wrote:
>>My only prob with jed is it will sometimes progressively ident lines of
>>pasted text.

> Yes. Second, if you paste "`" it won't show. Third, it turns spaces to
> tabs. You could copy /usr/share/jed/lib/jed.rc to ~/.jedrc and fix them:

> --- jed.rc 2007-07-03 19:11:20.000000000 +0300 +++ .jedrc 2007-07-03
> 19:13:29.000000000 +0300 @@ -50,6 +50,7 @@
> %
> % setkey ("bol", "^H"); % causes ^H to go to beg of line
> define dired_hook ()

I even used jed under OS/2 :-) At times I've dug under the hood and
made some modifications.

Happy days, all I've had to do lately is use it.

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Ron Gibson <rsgibson@verizon.net> trolled:
> On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 19:11:00 -0400, CBFalconer wrote:

>> Wheee. Editor wars. Go crew, go.
>
> Gosh I don't think there should be a war and everyone should use
> the editor they are most comfortable with.

> BUT, IMO and IMO only, jed just has a better layout and I like the
> menus. Also if you have to edit a DOS file (I use Slackware to
> often fix a W2K problem) it automatically detects the type of EOL
> character.

We've always thought of jed as a beginner's intro to emacs. But we
did check out the latest version and it seems to be much better than
it used to be. The old menu choices used to be listed in emacs
language which made us gag. But things are much better now. The
menus are more straightforward and are designed much better. It is
much more like boxer or qedit than any other editor that we know of
for linux.

But it still isn't as powerful as vim. We doubt that there is
anything you can do with jed that you can't do with vim. And vice
versa is not the case.

> I especially like the ease of using a split window when upgrading.
> I open the new file on top and in the lower window I open the
> older reference file. I can do this very fast mostly because I'm
> used to using the editor.

Doing this is trivial with vim. Vim's help file is more primitive
but probably more complete than jed's gui system. There is no doubt
that it is faster to learn jed, joe or le, than it is to learn vim.
But if one is used to vi, then vim is wonderful.

> I also set up the system so mc uses jed for editing and that is a
> fast combination.

The mc editor has some excellent features for such a simple editor.
For example, it has a keyboard macro feature. Does jed have such?
We think not.

What about pagers? Has anyone seen anything better than "most?" We
have most set up to handle man pages and it is great. Another great
dos program that we miss was the "list" program. That was really,
really fast and most seems to be the closest, although it doesn't
have the menuing feature.

cordially, as always,

rm

notbob <notbob@nothome.com> trolled:

> Yeah, gui's are perfect. They don't choke on anything bigger than a
> slashdot blurb like notepad or fail to format warez brag screens like
> every winblows editor except wordpad. They don't make text files
> completely proprietary like word or fail to save almost every webpage
> cut n' paste like kate. Yeah, gui text editors have no flaws at all.
> Sure, pal.

Jed, le, and mc are all gui editors. Guis are not necessarily
bitmapped applications.

cordially, as always,

rm

On 2007-07-03, Rhonda Moffat <rm@justlinux.ca> wrote:

> language which made us gag. But things are much better now. The
> menus are more straightforward and are designed much better.

Plus, highlighting is better, by default, as are other features. jed
provides, out of the box, some features that one would need some
knowledge of lisp to enable in emacs

> But it still isn't as powerful as vim. We doubt that there is
> anything you can do with jed that you can't do with vim. And vice
> versa is not the case.

Nonsense. It is extensible and its power is limited only by the user's
lisp programming abilities. vi, and variants, are great if you don't
mind a dual mode editor. I hate it, so I think it sucks. Many hate
multi-finger keystrokes, so despise emacs and variants. Again,
nothing more sinister than simple preferences. (except vi is the
heart of eee-ville!)

nb

On 2007-07-03, Rhonda Moffat <rm@justlinux.ca> wrote:

> Jed, le, and mc are all gui editors. Guis are not necessarily
> bitmapped applications.

Most definitions of gui refute your claim.

nb