Bother to grok my post, did you, guys? Or is it more fun to point and laugh?

I had to reboot the Linux machine to get it to display web pages to the *public* properly, i.e. *serve* web pages properly. Not render them in a browser. SSI was fubared and content was scrambled. An init.d script restart of Apache failed to rectify the situation. Browser caches had nothing to do with it.

Of course, I could do what other Linux aficionados do: lie about Linux stability. I'm sure that would get us somewhere.

Sincerely,

Joshua McGee
Linux sysadmin (12 years), Red Hat Certified Technician, and Moron
http://www.mcgees.org

On Wed, 09 May 2007 21:54:13 -0500, DFS wrote:

> Kier wrote:
>> On Wed, 09 May 2007 09:31:53 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>>> It tells me you cola "advocates" don't have the balls to post all
>>> your bullshit Linux problems.
>>
>> This isn't a tech group. And *all* OSen have things that go wrong. But
>> when Lincu goes wrong, it picks itself up a lot easier. ABout the only
>> problem I've had lately is Banshee refusing to eject my CD when asked
>> after I've ripped it.
>
> That's not so worrisome...
>
>> And it only does that about half the time.
>
> ... but that is.

Eh? HOw does that fact that it will only eject the CD half the time worry
you more than the fact that it sometimes refuses to eject the CD? Clue:
the other half, it ejects perfectly normally. When it doesn't I just have
to close and resstart the apps. A minor annoyance.

>
>
>
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the majority of Linux "advocates" and users
>>>>>>> greatly exaggerate everything they say about Windows and Linux.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not really. We just speak the truth: Linux is vastly superior to
>>>>>> 'doze in every possible way. If you think that's an exaggeration,
>>>>>> so be it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think that's an exaggeration; I know it's just another
>>>>> silly lie.
>>>>
>>>> Except that you don't know squat about Linux.
>>>
>>> More than you.
>>
>> Now *that's* funny. I really *use* Linux, every day. I don't just
>> install it to pick holes and slag it off.
>
> It may be funny but it's also true.


What, that you pick holes and slag Linux off? Yes, that's true. That you
know more about Linux than me - hardly. You barely know how to use it. I
use it every single day.

>
>
>>>>> That's OK - I'm sympathetic to the plight of Linux users (big
>>>>> mounds of (cr)apps to drive you mad), and I understand your
>>>>> optimism now that Dell is selling Ubuntu (Linux for subhumans),
>>>>> and I understand your hopelessness in the face of MS\Windows (in 4
>>>>> months Vista has more desktop users than Linux gained in 10 years).
>>>>
>>>> You really are trash, aren't you? That entire paragraph is so full
>>>> of your bile, it's a wonder you don't choke on it. 'Linux for
>>>> subhumans' - you ing bigot.
>>>
>>> Relax, Miss Word Policewoman. It was just a pun. Nothing racist or
>>> bigoted - except against Linux users.
>>
>> Bigotry of any kind is ing, particularly when put in those
>> kinds of terms. Leave it at home.
>
> When are you going to learn your net-nannyism doesn't work?

When are you going to learn not to be a bigot? There are enough such
people in the world already.



>> Learn more respect for Humanity.
>
> Sorry, but I'm very cynical: humanity doesn't deserve respect.

Then you don't respect yourself, I presume. No wonder you're such a dick.

>
>
>
>>>>> It's a Windows, Windows, Windows, Windows world!
>>>>
>>>> Not for everyone. And you're still here in a Linux group. Why is
>>>> that, I wonder?
>>>
>>> You know why I'm here - it's a good place to brawl.
>>
>> That I somewhat agree with. Doesn't seem much of a reason, all the
>> same.
>
> Do you know how boring it is to read a newsgroup where everyone agrees?

There's a difference between disagreement, and just coming in and
slandering everything the regular participants hold dear. Try shouting 'I
love Millwall and West Ham are crap' in West Ham's hoime area. You would
last about two minutes before the local fans kicked you to bits. What you
do here is the equivalent of that. And that *is* defined as trolling.

>
>
>
>>>> Because your wonderful Windows world is not as
>>>> wonderful as you claim.
>>>
>>> It is, actually. I admit I get tired of paying MS and using mostly
>>> MS and Windows programs for 15 years, but they're definitely the
>>> best.
>>
>> For you, maybe they are. But if you gave Linux a genuine chance, you
>> might get more out of it.
>
> I've spent some solid time using Linux over the last 3 years. It can be
> very interesting and rewarding, in and of itself. Long as you don't launch
> OpenOffice and put yourself in a bad mood.


You seem easily upset. Particularly as it's not really that slow. Slower
than it should be, but in fact the developers are sorting that out. No
doubt, more important matters take priority. Ir's only 'slow' the first
time you open it, anyway.

And there are plenty of Linux apps that opn in a flash. BUt I spend my
time doing things more sensible than sitting with a stopwatch in my hand
timing how fast or slow an app opens.

>
>
>
>
>> If you look for problems you will always
>> find them. But Windows in full of problems, too.
>
> Launch Firefox on your Linux system and hold down your Ctrl key (either one)
> and scroll your mouse wheel up or down. Here on Windows the screen/app
> resolution scales up or down. Works in most or all MS Office apps too. I
> just discovered this the other day (after I saw someone else doing it).

Yeah, it's cool, and it does that on Linux, too. Or CTRL and the + or -
key will do the same in steps . Handy when your eyesight isn't qwuite what
it used to be (although I think it only works on textual elements of a
website, and there are some sites so full of adverts and other flashy
stuff that they barely leave room for the text).

--
Kier

On May 9, 12:32 pm, High Plains Thumper <highplainsthum...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hadron Quark wrote:
> > Linonut <lino...@bellsouth.net> writes:
>
> >> Tim's only about 75% correct (still a better record than many people
> >> around here).
>
> >> The problem with Tim is he becomes extremely patronizing, often
> >> venturing into insult, implying that someone is stupid or sloppy.
> >> Not a good way to win friends and influence people.
>
> > This is a complete and utter 100% lie. Sorry.
>
> > You accuse him of being patronizing?
>
> > Do you see who he is correcting? Do you see how *they* act? Tim is a
> > complete and utter gentleman in comparison. I never saw him lose it -
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....sg/04a3d90e610...
>
> /quote/
> From: Tim Smith <reply_in_gr...@mouse-potato.com>
> Subject: Mark Kent, go fuck yourself
> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 09:14:46 GMT
>
> --
> --Tim Smith
> /-quote/
>

The best subject ever. If Mark didn't take his advice I'm sure Roy
Culley stepped up to the plate.

T

After takin' a swig o' grog, AB belched out this bit o' wisdom:

>> From: Tim Smith
>> Subject: Mark Kent, go fuck yourself
>
> He was being _gentlemanly_. That's how _gentlemen_ win arguments, isn't
> it?
>
> <Hell, Erik and MS get to reinvent words, why not me, too?>

Microsoft has word-reinvention patented.

For example, the word "cross-platform" has a most peculiar meaning for
Microsoft. It means a product runs on

Windows 98
Windows ME
Windows 2000
Windows XP
Windows Media Center
Windows Vista

except, of course, where it doesn't really run on Vista.

--
Yeah, I've heard of "decaf." What's your point?

On 2007-05-10, Linonut <linonut@bellsouth.net> claimed:
> After takin' a swig o' grog, AB belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
>>> From: Tim Smith
>>> Subject: Mark Kent, go fuck yourself
>>
>> He was being _gentlemanly_. That's how _gentlemen_ win arguments, isn't
>> it?
>>
>> <Hell, Erik and MS get to reinvent words, why not me, too?>
>
> Microsoft has word-reinvention patented.
>
> For example, the word "cross-platform" has a most peculiar meaning for
> Microsoft. It means a product runs on
>
> Windows 98
> Windows ME
> Windows 2000
> Windows XP
> Windows Media Center
> Windows Vista
>
> except, of course, where it doesn't really run on Vista.

Alright. I can't "reinvent" words. Erik evidently can because of some
sort of relationship he seems to have that allows him to know things
others don't.

Instead, maybe I can reinterpret, redefine, alter-define, alter-
interpret or alter-name some words. Are any of those patented by MS?

--
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The answer is NO!

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Linonut
<linonut@bellsouth.net>
wrote
on Thu, 10 May 2007 18:16:58 GMT
<ukJ0i.70$nh.32@bignews3.bellsouth.net>:
> After takin' a swig o' grog, AB belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
>>> From: Tim Smith
>>> Subject: Mark Kent, go fuck yourself
>>
>> He was being _gentlemanly_. That's how _gentlemen_ win arguments, isn't
>> it?
>>
>> <Hell, Erik and MS get to reinvent words, why not me, too?>
>
> Microsoft has word-reinvention patented.

Indeed; they're damned good at that -- and it's annoying.
At least we forestalled calling a drive a "cabinet" (though
I'm not sure how serious that idea was at the time), but
we still have the "drive/partition", the "folder/directory",
and the "document/file" dichotomies.

(Not to mention the "Windows/everything else" dichotomy.)

>
> For example, the word "cross-platform" has a most peculiar meaning for
> Microsoft. It means a product runs on
>
> Windows 98
> Windows ME
> Windows 2000
> Windows XP
> Windows Media Center
> Windows Vista
>
> except, of course, where it doesn't really run on Vista.
>

Heh. I thought "cross-platform" had to do with multiple
processor types:

Pentium II
Pentium III
Pentium IV
Celeron
Xeon
....

:-)

(Stop that. My brain's beginning to hurt.)

Of course one of the reasons for an OS in the first place
is to standardize to some extent the interface between an
application program, which likes to think at the level
of "go do something the user wants", and the hardware.
So to that extent Windows has succeeded, though Unix is
an older and more standard model. (Admittedly, Unix
has its own issues -- take a look at the xterm source
code, for example, and you'll see quite a bit of cruft,
presumably because pseudo-ttys are handled differently
between the different variants.)

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On Sun, 06 May 2007 00:56:03 +0000, thad01 wrote:

> DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:

>> You let me know when OpenOffice Calc will handle this useful Excel VB
>> functionality that lets me add custom colors to a sheet.

[VB elided]

> The Scripting Framework allows OpenOffice.org users to write and
> run macros in multiple languages including OpenOffice.org Basic,
> Python, Java, BeanShell and JavaScript. These macros can then be
> assigned to menus, toolbars, keyboard shortcuts, events and
> embedded objects.
>
> If you are bringing over VB scripts, then OO Basic is probably the
> easiest conversion, but I personally would probably pick something
> like Java or JavaScript for anything written from scratch.

Indeed. This has a really significant advantage: it works on any platform
which has both OOo and the relevant language, which is to say, pretty much
any platform the OP is liable to use for such jobs.

Where the OP is tied to a particular OS, language and tool because of poor
decisions on the front end, he need not be so limited in future projects,
nor is he prevented from converting existing projects, apart from issues
of cost and/or time.

This is the real beauty of open[1]; once you adopt it, you are not beholden
to any given application, company, tool or technology again.


[1] Generic here for open source, open standards, open formats, etc.

After takin' a swig o' grog, AB belched out this bit o' wisdom:

> On 2007-05-10, Linonut <linonut@bellsouth.net> claimed:
>
> Alright. I can't "reinvent" words. Erik evidently can because of some
> sort of relationship he seems to have that allows him to know things
> others don't.
>
> Instead, maybe I can reinterpret, redefine, alter-define, alter-
> interpret or alter-name some words. Are any of those patented by MS?

Not sure. Microsoft may have purchased a license for the above and some
other concepts from the real innovators in the industry. Here's a list
of some techniques:

astroturfing
stovepiping (I think the CIA may own that one)
shilling
F.U.D. (I think IBM owns that one)
spin (a Wshington product)
lying (as old as prostitution)

--
"Tricorder readings indicate the presence of hot bitches, Captain."

After takin' a swig o' grog, DFS belched out this bit o' wisdom:

> Linonut wrote:
>
>> Microsoft has word-reinvention patented.
>>
>> For example, the word "cross-platform" has a most peculiar meaning for
>> Microsoft. It means a product runs on
>>
>> Windows 98
>> Windows ME
>> Windows 2000
>> Windows XP
>> Windows Media Center
>> Windows Vista
>
> I'm sure you have evidence of this claim?

Not right at hand, though I'm sure a Google will recover some of
the ads and press releases I've seen from those poltroons.

--
0 and 1. Now what could be so hard about that?

After takin' a swig o' grog, Linonut belched out this bit o' wisdom:

> After takin' a swig o' grog, DFS belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Linonut wrote:
>>
>>> Microsoft has word-reinvention patented.
>>>
>>> For example, the word "cross-platform" has a most peculiar meaning for
>>> Microsoft. It means a product runs on
>>>
>>> Windows 98
>>> Windows ME
>>> Windows 2000
>>> Windows XP
>>> Windows Media Center
>>> Windows Vista
>>
>> I'm sure you have evidence of this claim?
>
> Not right at hand, though I'm sure a Google will recover some of
> the ads and press releases I've seen from those poltroons.

Okay. Found some links by doing a search at microsoft.com:

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb174772.aspx

(Apparently will create content playable on a Mac, but I don't
believe there's any dev-kit for the Mac. You tell me.)

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms790191.aspx

(Cross-platform as far as CPU chips go, but it is all Windows.

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/asp.net/bb187401.aspx

(Silverlight. At least this one runs on Mac browsers and supposedly
integrates with other technologies. However, read this:

What software do I need?

In order to enhance your browser, you need to install the
appropriate Silverlight plug-in for your browser. Visit the
Downloads page to select the appropriate plug-in.

But the Downloads link yields:

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/asp.net/ms123402.aspx

Content not found

We apologize for the inconvenience, but the location you are
seeking cannot be found. If you are looking for a particular
document, please try one of the following areas: <All-Microsoft
topics snipped.>

)

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...WindowsPR.mspx

Microsoft Announces Company\u2019s First Cross-Platform Gaming
Controller

Xbox 360 Controller for Windows delivers a consistent experience
across Microsoft platforms.

And I'm leaving out all there links where they talk about cross-platform
printing because it talks about no-longer supported things like the
Alpha and MIPS, all running ... get this ... Windows NT.

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms793103.aspx

Windows Driver Kit: Display Devices
Cross Platform Direct3D Driver Development

Damn. Like shooting fish in a barrel.

Borrrrring.

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