Markus R. Keßler wrote:
> I just got 2 used intel machines, one P3/500 and one P3/800.
>
> Does anyone have experience about how sensful it would be to install
> Mandriva 2009 on these machines?

> Any hints which OS makes sense installed on which of these two boxes?

If you have 256MB of RAM, go for 2009.0, but then immediately
select your mirrors for additional software and updates and
install KDE 3.5. Remove KDE 4 if you need the disk space.
KDE 4 is really not ready for prime time at the moment. It is
getting close, but it will be a heavier package and it will
misbehave.

http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2009.0_N...vious_releases

Or, you could install 2008.1 and update that. Then, if you want
to shift to 2009.0, you can due an upgrade rather than an install
(online no less, if you have a fast connection). 2008.1 will
install KDE 3.5, and the upgrade will leave it in place rather
than install KDE 4.

Cheers!

jim b.

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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:57:22 +0000, Markus R. Keßler wrote:

> Though I always thought that the version number was meant as a speed or
> "hardware requirement index" ;-) So Mandrake 10 should be slower than
> Suse 9. But this was not the case.

You can always recompile the kernel and disable things you don't need in
it for an older machine. It's a real pita to do, but I did it once and cut
the kernel size by about 20-25% iirc. But that was back on 8.0 or
somewhere.

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Hi Frank,

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:01:29 -0500, highlandham <rfburns@nospam.com>
wrote:

>Wes Newell wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:33:19 +0000, Markus R. Keßler wrote:
>>
>>> Any hints which OS makes sense installed on which of these two boxes?
>>>
>> If you've got 256M ram or more then any should work. Might try a lighter
>> window manager than KDE though.
>===========================================
>My Ultra ,model A440, laptop with P3-863MHz (vintage 2001) has its max
>RAM of 256MB .
>After running MDV LE2005 for a few years ,it now happily runs Knoppix
>5.1.1 installed on the 20GB HD

I always thought that Knoppix is a kind of "Live CD" which is only
capable of loading the OS and all needed files from cd into ram,
showing how Linux works. In my understanding, this is not meant as an
install cd.

>Tried Kubuntu 8.10 Live ..............however ,no response , keeps
>loading ......not enough RAM !

I have similar experiences with Mandrake "Move" which demands for at
least 120MB RAM, but the box I tried this once, has only 64MB.
So everytime I tried to load the OS the machine got slower and slower
and finally it crached...

Best regards,

Markus

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I've had it running on an EEE PC 701 and used VNC to run it, that was
using KDE if that helps any.

The machine did have 512Mb of RAM in it.



On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:06:43 +0000, Markus R. Keßler wrote:

> Hi Frank,
>
> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:01:29 -0500, highlandham <rfburns@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Wes Newell wrote:
>>> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:33:19 +0000, Markus R. Keßler wrote:
>>>
>>>> Any hints which OS makes sense installed on which of these two boxes?
>>>>
>>> If you've got 256M ram or more then any should work. Might try a
>>> lighter window manager than KDE though.
>>=========================================== My Ultra ,model A440, laptop
>>with P3-863MHz (vintage 2001) has its max RAM of 256MB .
>>After running MDV LE2005 for a few years ,it now happily runs Knoppix
>>5.1.1 installed on the 20GB HD
>
> I always thought that Knoppix is a kind of "Live CD" which is only
> capable of loading the OS and all needed files from cd into ram, showing
> how Linux works. In my understanding, this is not meant as an install
> cd.
>
>>Tried Kubuntu 8.10 Live ..............however ,no response , keeps
>>loading ......not enough RAM !
>
> I have similar experiences with Mandrake "Move" which demands for at
> least 120MB RAM, but the box I tried this once, has only 64MB. So
> everytime I tried to load the OS the machine got slower and slower and
> finally it crached...
>
> Best regards,
>
> Markus

>> ===========================================
>> My Ultra ,model A440, laptop with P3-863MHz (vintage 2001) has its max
>> RAM of 256MB .
>> After running MDV LE2005 for a few years ,it now happily runs Knoppix
>> 5.1.1 installed on the 20GB HD
>
> I always thought that Knoppix is a kind of "Live CD" which is only
> capable of loading the OS and all needed files from cd into ram,
> showing how Linux works. In my understanding, this is not meant as an
> install cd.
====================
Indeed Knoppix is usually considered a Live distro also used as a rescue
CD ,but it has an install option .
However start-up takes a long time , but start-up info is extensive .
It being a Debian fork updating is easy . It is imho a good distro for
my 'ancient' laptop ;any probs can be solved through the Knoppix forum.

Frank

PS : On my main PC I am still running MDV2007.1

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:33:19 +0000, Markus R. Keßler wrote:

> I just got 2 used intel machines, one P3/500 and one P3/800.

Good buys, one hopes?

> Does anyone have experience about how sensful it would be to install
> Mandriva 2009 on these machines?

I ran 2008.1 on a 1GHz P3 with 384MB for a few months, it ran just fine
using KDE.

> I did not install it on any pc but I think that at least on the 500MHz
> box I should rather install Mandrake 10 instead.

That's crazy. There are dozens of modern, current, supported distros
that work better than Mandrake 10. It was great in its day, but that day
was over years ago.

The present kernel is faster, more stable, supports more hardware, and
manages memory better than in those old days.

> This is based on the
> assumption that concerning the year of release, Mandriva 2009 has
> similar prerequisits like micro$oft vista?

There's no basis for that assumption. Ignore any conclusions it led you
to.

Now, one important thing. You've bought into the whole Wintel thing
about clock speeds being the important aspect of the hardware. Wrong.
They aren't. Even slow processors spend most of their time waiting for
memory. So tThe more important question is how much memory these machines
have. With 512MB or more they will run Mandriva 2009.0 just fine. Not
rocket ship speed, but just fine.

Mark Madsen wrote:
> Now, one important thing. You've bought into the whole Wintel thing
> about clock speeds being the important aspect of the hardware. Wrong.
> They aren't. Even slow processors spend most of their time waiting for
> memory. So tThe more important question is how much memory these machines
> have. With 512MB or more they will run Mandriva 2009.0 just fine. Not
> rocket ship speed, but just fine.
======================================
Agree , it is not the processor's speed but the max amount of RAM which
determines the potential of using an 'oldie' with a modern distro.
Sadly a number of 'oldies' can't have more than 256MB of RAM ,period !

Frank

Hi all!

Above all, I'd like to wish you a happy new year!

And, well, both of the mentioned two machines are up and running.

So, now I can gladly confirm, that even a 500MHz box is fast enough to run Mandriva in a sensful way!

Yes, in some situations you have to wait a little longer for response, especially when running KDE4.0, but the machine never freezes, even with 256MB RAM. Well, as soon as I have the time I'll go for more RAM and install it.

Thanks for this wonderful and exciting discussion!

Best regards,

Markus

> I just got 2 used intel machines, one P3/500 and one P3/800.
>
> Does anyone have experience about how sensful it would be to install
> Mandriva 2009 on these machines?
>
> I did not install it on any pc but I think that at least on the 500MHz
> box I should rather install Mandrake 10 instead. This is based on the
> assumption that concerning the year of release, Mandriva 2009 has
> similar prerequisits like micro$oft vista?
>
> Any hints which OS makes sense installed on which of these two boxes?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Markus
>

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