Hi there!

Can anyone recommend a simple solution to send / receive and manage
sent / received faxes in Mandrake 10 or above?

I'd like to move more and more tasks from windows to linux and so I'm
looking for some application similar to winfax to access a 56k modem.

The machine is a standalone pc with network access, but there's no
need for a client- server- fax- application, so I think that hylafax
is oversized.

Any recommendations?

Thanks in advance,
best regards,

Markus

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On Wednesday 29 October 2008 15:51, someone identifying as *Markus R. Keí¯¿
ler* wrote in /alt.os.linux.mandrake:/

> Hi there!
>
> Can anyone recommend a simple solution to send / receive and manage
> sent / received faxes in Mandrake 10 or above?
>
> I'd like to move more and more tasks from windows to linux and so I'm
> looking for some application similar to winfax to access a 56k modem.
>
> The machine is a standalone pc with network access, but there's no
> need for a client- server- fax- application, so I think that hylafax
> is oversized.
>
> Any recommendations?

No real recommendations as I have little to no knowledge of fax solutions
and an equal level of skill with regard to Windows and anything running on
that (sorry excuse for an) operating system, but I would simply like to
comment this one little thing to your statement that you don't need a
client/server application...: GNU/Linux is a UNIX-style operating system
and is therefore /designed/ as a client/server architecture. As such, if
you want to take advantage of its full functionality, you'd be better off
with something like /hylafax./

This said, if you only need something that'll allow you to send faxes and
receive them - like an e-mail client - I think KDE 4.x has a fax viewer
called /KFax/ - there will probably be a KDE 3.x version of it too, but I
haven't got any such application installed here as I don't have a
telephone/fax line. I also suspect there will be a Gnome alternative if
you don't like the KDE look & feel, by the way.

Lastly, Mandrake 10.x is old - I'm still running it myself on this machine,
though - and MandrakeSoft has switched names to Mandriva (after the merger
with Conectiva) somewhere in 2005, and since then the distro is called
Mandriva with the year as the main release number and a "dot something" for
intermediary releases. And thus, the current distribution is Mandriva
2009.0.

As such, you should be aware that updates for Mandrake 10.x are no longer
available and have not been available anymore for quite a number of years
already. Installing some rather new software on your distro will therefore
most likely break a lot of stuff. The newer code uses a later /glibc,/ was
built using a later compiler version and was designed to work with a recent
2.6 kernel, whereas in 10.0 and to a lesser extent in 10.1, the code -
particularly /glibc/ - was still mainly built for use with the 2.4 kernel
generation. Modern KDE client applications will also require the /qt4/
libraries, which again may not work well with the version of /glibc/ as
installed on your machine, etc. In other words, if you endeavor along that
path, you'll find yourself in dependency hell pretty soon.

So, my advice would be to install the newer Mandriva 2009.0 - from scratch,
i.e. do not "upgrade" - if you want to stick with Mandriva, and then you
can look for an application that does what you want - i.e. a fax client of
some sorts - among the offered packages.

Just my two cents worth... ;-) (Hey, they're Eurocents, so they're worth
close to three Dollarcents by now... :p)

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Aragorn <aragorn@chatfactory.invalid> wrote:

>> Can anyone recommend a simple solution to send / receive and manage
>> sent / received faxes in Mandrake 10 or above?
>>
>> I'd like to move more and more tasks from windows to linux and so I'm
>> looking for some application similar to winfax to access a 56k modem.
>>
>> The machine is a standalone pc with network access, but there's no
>> need for a client- server- fax- application, so I think that hylafax
>> is oversized.
>>
>> Any recommendations?

>No real recommendations as I have little to no knowledge of fax solutions
>and an equal level of skill with regard to Windows and anything running on
>that (sorry excuse for an) operating system, but I would simply like to
>comment this one little thing to your statement that you don't need a
>client/server application...: GNU/Linux is a UNIX-style operating system
>and is therefore /designed/ as a client/server architecture. As such, if

well, that's not really new to me ;-) But, I do not have to provide a
"fax solution" for a company network (well, not yet), but instead it
is just one office pc which I'd like to have fax for.
Just like a windows box with winfax.

>you want to take advantage of its full functionality, you'd be better off
>with something like /hylafax./

Anyone experiences with "HotWire fax" - they claim to provide features
similar to these known from winfax?

Best regards,

Markus

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On 2008-10-29, Markus R Keßler <dimke.fax@uni.de> wrote:
> Hi there!
>
> Can anyone recommend a simple solution to send / receive and manage
> sent / received faxes in Mandrake 10 or above?
>
> I'd like to move more and more tasks from windows to linux and so I'm
> looking for some application similar to winfax to access a 56k modem.
>
> The machine is a standalone pc with network access, but there's no
> need for a client- server- fax- application, so I think that hylafax
> is oversized.
>
> Any recommendations?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> best regards,
>
> Markus

I've never tried to send or receive a fax using a PC, but efax might
interest you <http://www.cce.com/efax/>.

As Aragorn said, it is recommended that you replace your ancient Mdk 10
system with the current Mandriva 2009, to avoid possible 'version clashes'
with current packages (and get the security patches etc!).

You'll find more people over in alt.os.linux.mandriva, too )

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On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:51:25 -0400, Markus R. Keßler <dimke.fax@uni.de> wrote:

> The machine is a standalone pc with network access, but there's no
> need for a client- server- fax- application, so I think that hylafax
> is oversized.

efax-gtk works well.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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"David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> writes:

>On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:51:25 -0400, Markus R. Keßler <dimke.fax@uni.de> wrote:

>> The machine is a standalone pc with network access, but there's no
>> need for a client- server- fax- application, so I think that hylafax
>> is oversized.

>efax-gtk works well.

mgetty-sendfax works fine for sending faxes at least. I have not used it
for receiving.
No idea why hylafax is "too much". all it does is send and receive faxes.



>Regards, Dave Hodgins

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On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:28:13 -0400, Unruh <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote:

> No idea why hylafax is "too much". all it does is send and receive faxes.

I've got a winmodem (Intel536ep). Hylafax won't work with it, efax will.

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On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.os.linux.mandrake, in article
<op.ujs5uls9a3w0dxdave@hodgins.homeip.net>, David W. Hodgins wrote:

>Unruh <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote:

>> No idea why hylafax is "too much". all it does is send and receive
>> faxes.
>
>I've got a winmodem (Intel536ep). Hylafax won't work with it, efax
>will.

What happens when you try? I can think of three possible reasons
for failure:

1) The application is using what amounts to be an incorrect init
string, and the "modem" is barfing

2) The modem is responding in a manner that the application doesn't
understand, and the application is barfing.

3) One application never heard of modems being other than /dev/ttyS?
and has no idea how to talk to where-ever the winmodem is hiding.

In the same manner as data modems, there are various Fax modem speeds
and standards. Looking at my USR manual (real modem), I can see it
speaks ten data modem standards. and four Fax modem standards (v.17,
v.21, v27ter and v.29) at six fax mode bit-rates (2400, 4800, 7200,
9600, 12000, and 14400 bps), not to mention Class I and II.

I was going to mention that the driver may not be fully compatible, but
the fact that one application can work and the other doesn't more
suggests either an init-string problem, or one application is expecting
to use a mode that the other application doesn't use. In this regard,
the winmodem is no different from a hardware modem. Use the wrong
commands/modes with either, and they barf.

Old guy

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:52:27 -0400, Moe Trin <ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld> wrote:

> What happens when you try? I can think of three possible reasons
> for failure:
> 3) One application never heard of modems being other than /dev/ttyS?
> and has no idea how to talk to where-ever the winmodem is hiding.

I tried installing hylafax-server, and after editing the configuration
scripts to allow /dev/modem to be used (remove calls to stty, and replace
the output with hardcoded values), I got as far as getting it to talk to,
and get output from the modem, but the actual sendfax still fails to talk
to the modem.

As efax, works fine with winmodems, I'm not going to bother looking at
the source for the hylafax sendfax, to see why it's failing.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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On Sat, 01 Nov 2008, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.os.linux.mandrake, in article
<op.ujyossqia3w0dxdave@hodgins.homeip.net>, David W. Hodgins wrote:

>Moe Trin <ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld> wrote:

>> 3) One application never heard of modems being other than /dev/ttyS?
>> and has no idea how to talk to where-ever the winmodem is hiding.
>
>I tried installing hylafax-server, and after editing the configuration
>scripts to allow /dev/modem to be used (remove calls to stty, and replace
>the output with hardcoded values), I got as far as getting it to talk to,
>and get output from the modem, but the actual sendfax still fails to talk
>to the modem.

That's the solution I had in mind. It seems strange, but a number of
applications insist that modems can only be on /dev/ttyS[0-3]. This
plays havoc on winmodem and USB device users.

Old guy